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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Aug 23, 2011 7:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: about keyboards and such.

I've been looking at this debate of Keith vs Brent and who brought what to the group. Me personally I liked Keiths' playing better for the most part but here's the rub. The Dead being so well known for schlepping mountains of gear around why did both Keith and Brent give up on the baby grand. Yes it's a royal pain to haul that and a B-3 around but at what cost.Now if some one said the grand went out of tune to easily then maybe that's the reason. We can name multiple bands that brought a piano w/ them and never went the way of the electric Yamaha.Do I fixate on the little things ,well yea but I certainly know what a better sounding instrument is.

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Poster: adks12020 Date: Aug 24, 2011 5:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: about keyboards and such.

I have always preferred Keith's sound. Despite the fact that Brent obviously was loaded with talent I just can't figure out any reason for the twinkly sound of his keyboards.

I totally understand the change to electric simply for the versatility. I don't know what it was like then (being that I'm a youngin at 29) but I know now you can get excellent electric pianos that sound just like a real piano...or anything you want them to sound like really. I'm pretty sure you could then as well. My girlfriend plays piano and we have one in our living room. She's really into classical music so it has to sound like a grand and it definitely does.

It seems to me the whole reason for the change to electic was the versatility it offered. Also, I recall hearing an interview with Bobby where he said they were desperate for a sustain instrument in the late 70s and early 80s...hence the eletric piano w/ wah & sustain pedals, organ and slide guitar entering the mix...well slide as non-lead played by Bobby.

I'm not sure where Brent's twinkle twinkle little star sound fits in there but they must have liked it. He was such a good player but that sound kills me sometimes. It sound like a toy. A previous poster is probably right..Brent probably wanted to play that way and the rest of the band just went with it.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 23, 2011 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: about keyboards and such.

The Grateful Dead didn't haul around a grand piano. Keith's nine-foot Steinway was rented. The band had a rider in their contracts with the various venues and a rented instrument was usually provided.

In late 1978 Keith elected to switch over to a Yamaha CP70B. This was likely the result of a falling out between Keith's piano tuner and the crew and Keith was no longer happy with the sound of the Steinway.

The same was true for Brent, who's Steinway baby-grand was rented for the 1980 acoustic sets along with a harpsichord which he played only during acoustic performances of China Doll.

Youre still a dickhead by the way...

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Aug 23, 2011 10:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: about keyboards and such.

"Youre still a dickhead by the way..." ------WELL EXECUTED, AND ID SAY RIGHT ON TIME!!! ( i fixate on the little things !!!!)


This post was modified by RBNW....new and improved! on 2011-08-23 17:25:56

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Poster: sjanderson82 Date: Aug 23, 2011 10:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: about keyboards and such.

FYI: you guys are grown men who sound like virgins comparing your own withered non-functional genitals

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Aug 23, 2011 10:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: about keyboards and such.

"FYI: you guys are grown men who sound like virgins comparing your own withered non-functional genitals " .....didnt take long for trollboy to show his face again..

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Aug 23, 2011 10:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: about keyboards and such.

That is interesting information,I just assumed Keith played his own piano not a rented one.Maybe some of our keyboard playing forumites could explain the differences between pianos,and what challenges might arise in playing rented pianos.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 23, 2011 9:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: about keyboards and such.

Agreed. And I think it's a good point that for a band so focused on sound (and so willing to schlep around gear), it's kinda funny to have gone the way of a rather (to me) plastic sound for the keyboards.

It seems to my uneducated ear that Keith's real piano just sounds better. But then, I hadn't realized that Keith DID switch to a Yamaha way at the end. (Or that he was dealing with rentals.)

And ultimately, with Brent ... what an odd choice, really, for a band so focused on sound! I've just attributed it to the old non-interference dynamic ... if Brent wanted plastic, it was like Jerry chasing the dragon ... they all shrugged and let him have his way. But presumably there was more to it. Technical and practical points and all. And maybe the "desirability" of a non-real piano does relate in part to the rental issues and piano tuners and so on.



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Poster: debris_slide Date: Aug 23, 2011 11:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: about keyboards and such.

I understand where people are coming from when they talk about having issues with Brent's keyboard tone.

The way I always thought about it was that he was trying to fit into the "Group tone". Jerry's tone changed subtly over the years and by the time Brent joined the band he had become very piercing at times...able to make the notes pop with a prickly intensity that almost resembled a xylophone with slight distortion...Brent most likely sat in during the first initial rehearsals in 79 and thought the stock keyboard and piano sounds didn't allow him to be able to emphasize what he was trying to do musically.

Brent's sound was mimicking Jerry's clean and distorted tone noodling. It allowed for these really amazing syncopated rhythms with Jerry and Brent trading runs and following each other. It really made the songs come alive with activity... ex:let it grow became pretty ferocious.




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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Aug 24, 2011 12:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: about keyboards and such.

I agree with it all, especially the last comment.

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Aug 23, 2011 9:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: about keyboards and such.

May a humpback t-bone that skiff of yours.Remember the Rainbow Warroior.Again I ask you what the fuck did whales ever do to you,eat some crill maybe.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 23, 2011 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: about keyboards and such.

Rainbow Warroior....is that a gay thing?? (not that there's anything wrong with that)